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guru - founder
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If you are preparing for the writing section of an official test (for instance: TOEFL, IELTS, TOEIC or a specific English Teacher's exam), I'd advise against simply submitting essays for that specific test in the respective part of this forum. That appears to be people's main strategy - just keep pumping essays in and hoping for feedback and improvement.

If you truly want to improve your writing, you need to write extensively and on a regular basis. It doesn't need to involve full essays - it can be quick responses where you are practicing expressing your opinion and supporting that opinion with reasons and examples. You need exposure to a rich variety of topics and issues, and you need to write as often as possible to increase your writing fluency and confidence.

This forum has a variety of other categories where you can do that, including the General Discussion Topics section, and the World Video News Discussion and National Geographic News sections. The video news sections in particular represent a great chance to apply your writing skills for integrated formats involving one or both of reading and listening for input materials. Technically, there are already hundreds of interesting topics and materials in this forum for you to write about.

So, you really want to improve and become great at writing? My advice is to not just submit essays in the respective test preparation forums, but also try compiling written responses to lots of other topics across the forum. It will be more enjoyable for you for a start, but it is also guaranteed to improve your writing ability. Trust me!

Good luck with it,

Cool  ~ Jason

 

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(Sigh!) It doesn't look like anyone's paying attention to me... People are just joining and throwing their essays up, expecting instant feedback, and not taking advantage of the chance to write and discuss other topics in the forum.

Please, I do know what I'm talking about. You need to read and write widely in order to improve your general writing ability... There is plenty of potential TOEFL writing development in these other topics, and there is certainly more to English and writing ability than just a TOEFL independent essay score.

Cool  Jason

 

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I just explored your forum and will consider your advice.

Greetings Claus claussen

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Hi Jason,

Believe me, I am paying attention to everything you recommend. But, my technical resources are limitted. I am an illiterate when it comes to computer. My daughter, who is only ten, is my "Computer Guru". She helped me install the microphone that enable me to speak on Chinswing...I have refered your site to others that are struggling with iBT, and one wrote me back with gratitude, because he loooooves your site. And when I am done with TOEFL, I will still continue writing and talking here, because I have notice an improvement in my articulation. Since yesterday, I have written three essays, and tow comments, I think...Talk to you soon!

Marie.

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Thanks God, I found a very informative IELTS site.Thank you very much for all the advice. I will definitely go to those categories you mentioned as I really do need to polish my writing skills.

regular - member
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Hi Jason,

I really appreaciate your advice and it makes sense to me. The more I practice, the more I will improve no matter if the subject is about an independent writing essay or any comments from different resources. I will check out those video news and I will beging to participate in the forum. I was born in Argentina and 5 years ago moved to Texas. I am pharmacist and my goal is to get the license in USA. I already past the Equivalency test but for them to give the certificate I need to pass the TOEFL iBT. I am close but I need 26 in the speaking section ( I got 20) and 24 for the writing section ( I got 21). The others sections no problem.
It is more than 1 year that I am stuck with TOEFL iBT and I am not able to take my license test. Sometimes I feel descouraged, I am close but it is not enough.
I found your related websites about one month ago but I was very bussy at that time and then the huracan IKE leaf Texans people with too much damage. I hope that little by little everything turn back to normal and I will take advantage of the opportunities that your webs offer.
I am also interesting in knowing if your i-tutor is already working and if you accept new students and the cost of your tutoring. You can use my personal e-mail for that purpose.
I think that you are a gifted person and is the first time that I hear from somebody to approach the teaching of TOEFL in a different and precise way.
Thank you very much.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Bluebs.as.

P.S.: I wish I could do some day something similar but for teaching Spanish. Texas has a growing Hispanic population and the interest for learning Spanish in Northamerican people is increasing. I was teaching as a volunteer for two consecutive years at Champion Forest Baptist Church, Spring, TX. And the experience was great. After that I needed to focus in my Equivalency test and my students are waiting for me to resume the classes.

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I will try to write more and more and in every topic that interests me. I hope that I will be more confident as you have mentioned, however, I doubt that I will make the same mistake,though?

newbie - member
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Jason,

Don't sigh.

I've just joined this forum today, and this writing interested me.
Thanks for your advice.
In my opinion, to write a good essay, it's more important to read as much as possible such as other essays, books in English, and articles. Also, it is necessary to gather lots of informations and to summarise my own opinion.

However, the sad thing is that I can't enjoy writing because of tests, which means my writing should be marked. This fact makes me be afraid of writing.

novice - member
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Hi Jason,

Feeling great to join your blog.
It is indeed a great opportunity for me to share my knowledge and gain more knowledge from you and friends from this blog.
I am really very happy to be a member here.

I am not much familiar with all the subjects here but I promise that I will be constatly working to get most of it.
Thanks again.

regular - member
81 posts

Hi Jason
Thank you for your tip!
Although the class has finished, I keep going studying writing in English. So it's very useful tip. With interest, people get more enthusiasm and excited to write essays. I hope to improve my writing skill through this tip.

regular - member
103 posts

Hi, Jason :D Thanks for your sincere tip!!
As Jiyoung said, even though the writing course has finished, I will use this forum continuously.
Also don't sigh any more. I'll keep in mind what you have said. :)

newbie - member
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Hi Jason,
Thank you for your web site. I fully agree with you that practice makes writing easer and funner task. If I do not need to take ibTOEFL I will enjoy mostly reading, listening and speaking English, effectively avoiding writing.
Before I start my writing practice it takes few days for answering my English emails or any other written assignments. Now I am able to write this short message just in few minutes. I am really happy for it. Of course I have still a lot to work on, but I see my progress what encourages me to study harder.
I am looking forward to practicing your new speaking mentor service. It is a pity that you start from January 2009.
Bide way some of the visitors of your site are interested only on passing exams they don't share your passion to language. It is hard for them see connection between variety of your resources and a achievement of their short term goals. Most of them want just fulfill some requirements. However, there is no short cut you need to have excellent language skills to learn more and keep up with quick changing world around us.
To conclude I want to thank you for your effort, time and passion engaged to create so meaningful and useful learning tools for all of us.

guru - founder
1439 posts

Hi everyone,

Some good posts and comments here. It's interesting to read, and in some ways heartening.

I was thinking about (or was it "agonizing over"?) this issue again recently. I couldn't help but reflect that:

1. Many students only want writing in order to pass tests. There is no passion in that, and without genuine passion, genuine progress will always be very limited. 

2. Good writing requires some basic skills in terms of mechanics, organization and style (which can be quickly learned, actually), but from there it needs fluency - the ability to write without translating or analyzing one's language or meaning much. There is only one way to do that, and that is to constantly write and express oneself, and to focus on interesting subject matter to keep oneself motivated. If you're not writing in English (even a limited amount) 4-5 days a week, you're not going to progress much.

3. Students demand 1-1 feedback without doing much at all to build their communicative writing ability and writing fluency - in effect, they want somebody to think and do the hard work for them.

4. Some students worry that their mistakes will just keep repeating. In my experience, there are two reasons for that (from the student's perspective): they don't read a lot of other writing or respond to it (which helps to facilitate "noticing" of new language and expressions), and they don't read their own writing very closely once it is finished.

 

In any case, I am at the end of another semester where 40 or so university students have just progressed through my writing course. Quite honestly, they did a sensational job. They didn't demand my personal 1-1 attention to everything they wrote, they did extensive writing and gave extensive feedback to each other. I'm comparing first compositions at the start of term with final compositions under time pressure at the end of the term. The results speak for themselves - almost all of these students have helped themselves and each develop much better writing proficiency.

The proof is there, "in the pudding" so to speak. Hopefully at some stage more people will take notice!

Best regards to all of you,

~ Jason

 

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As you said, I also think the most important thing to write well is "being steady". Actually, I think myself as incapable writer with English but through Jason's writing class time, I feel about improving my English writing ability a litte.^^. Of course, Jason's class was somewhat tough because of daily assignments and, stressful bur interesting and intensive class activities.

But we must know anything can't accomplish if we don't undergo the process of hardship and training.

In this sense, I appreciate Jason's help and his thoughful care.

While reading Jason's considerate writings and writing my opinion, I already miss our teacher, Jason.

regular - member
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Thank you for your considerate tips for us. I totally agree with your second point. I think that is the most valuable lesson that I could learn from your class. Now I could realize that only writing constantly and expressing myself
can make me improve my writing skill. Even though your assignments were challenging and overwheleming, now I think that if you hadn't give them to me, my writing skill couldn't have been improved. In this point, I really want to appreciate you, Jason. Thank you for hearing our whining, which could make you annoyed. Even this class has been finished, I think I have to write one or two articles or essays for a week. It could be a hard job but I bet your forum will help me a lot. Thanks again for your effort on our classes and I miss you already, too!

regular - member
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You know what? There is one other great way to improve your ability to write without translating or analyzing.(and I think you kind of mentioned this later on.) It is to read more. Even though I don't quite agree with your idea on number three, if it is true, I think it's how they improve. By getting attention with what they have done, they will definately be motivated. Maybe it might be the best way to encourage and then motivate students. When the students ask for feedback, they are not trying to make teachers to do the hard work FOR them. Once they wrote their thing, they truely want to know how they did, what kind of mistakes they made, and how to improve on them. What you wrote on number four is perfectly true though but from MY experience, that takes WAY too much time. I don't mean that one's effort wasn't good enough. I'm saying it takes long before you realize your mistakes by yourself. I get your point that practicing a lot by oneself is more important than anything but do you get what I'm trying to say? Well, I'm spending so much time thinking and writing about what you have posted here but I DO find this VERY interesting. Thanks for making me actually THINK.

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Hi Eojin,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Yes, number 3 is (and to some extent always has been) a hot issue for a number of reasons. Perhaps, in a non-negative way, you may be alluding to the fact that there wasn't a lot of 1-1 feedback and correction given in your own writing course, and you expand on it by explaining students' positive feelings about getting corrections given to them.

Let me expand on this point for you and any others. I'm not against correction - far from it - but there are four very important issues to consider:

1. Feasibility. When, as a writing teacher, you have a class of 6-12 students, giving a lot of corrections to your students is manageable, and doesn't kill your motivation or detract from your ability to plan your next writing lessons. Once you go above that number of students, it becomes much less feasible, will erode your passion for actually teaching writing (with so much of your time spent editing), and reduces the amount of time you have to read the students' writing as an actual audience and pick out common patterns and problems that you can point out to your entire (large) class. A lot of people ask why writing is not taught in public school systems, and the simple answer is that there is an expectation there will be a lot of correction needed, and therefore it is not worth pursuing on account of it not being possible to do properly.

2. Effectiveness. There is an assumption (as per Eojin's comments) that corrections will be very useful to the students. For many years before teaching at university level, I was a TOEFL instructor for secondary school students. With all the endless grammar corrections, I began to actually wonder how much it was helping the students, and even got into some debates with other teachers about it (especially the more traditional sorts who thought a teacher who doesn't correct everything is not a real writing teacher).

So I put it to the test. Myself and another TOEFL instructor gave the same pre- and post- TOEFL writing tests to our classes of students (who were of the same age and level), with a pre test, then 4 months of instruction, then a post test. I did very little correcting at all, and dedicated more time to generating examples and teaching tips and strategies, as well as encouraging peer feedback. The other teacher, being a very traditional sort, corrected each and every error his students made. The pre tests resulted in similar results, but in the post-tests (at the end of the course), my group ended up with not only higher overall holistic scores in their essays, but were actually making the same number of grammatical mistakes as the other group. That is, despite all those corrections in the other group, their overall essay scores ended up slightly lower and their grammar mistake rate was not lower than the group who didn't get explicit corrections from the teacher. Looking through the research literature, I found that other experiments with different kinds of teacher feedback had similar results; i.e., explicit corrections do very little (if anything) to actually improve learners' written grammar when writing under test conditions.

I did another experiment last (spring) semester at KNU in my writing course. I gave learners three specific corrections for every piece of writing they did over 4 weeks. At the end of the 4 weeks, I gave them each a piece of paper and asked them to write down the corrections they had been given (and presumably learned from). One student out of 22 in the class managed to write down three corrections she had memorized. Almost every other student in the whole class couldn't even recall one! So while a lot of people were complimenting me on all the corrections I was providing, in essence the learners weren't actually learning anything from them.

Most students see corrections and automatically think "good, I've been noticed, and my grammar is being improved." That's as far as they go with it. I'm not into time-wasting, not for me nor for the students. And remember, we can't just say this is because students are lazy. With many corrections, it is rather like hitting 20 different colored tennis balls over a net at the same time, with the balls landing in various parts of court, and asking a student to remember what every one looked like, and how to hit it back over the net correctly. It just isn't possible.

My main point here is - before you attempt to give your own classes of 40 secondary school students explicit writing corrections, ask yourself if it is possible, and ask yourself if it is actually helping them. If you are just doing it for moral purposes, or because "that's the way it has always been done", you could be in a pointless time warp, or teaching for pure appearances (or both). The key question then is, could there be a better way to spend your teaching time to get better results for a whole large class of writing students?

3. Independent learning. The more grammar corrections you give (as a teacher), the less students will be willing to do on their own or with other students. Dependence on the teacher for grammar correction becomes like a drug, and the addiction withers away students' capacity to discover patterns, experiment and learn from their own hypotheses. As a younger teacher, at first you will feel a lot of pressure to be a reliable source of knowledge to your students, and correcting feels like a natural part of that. As an experienced teacher, you will start to appreciate the larger responsibility you have to be a guide and facilitator to help students access and discover knowledge on their own. As Dr. Andrew Finch (a hugely respected professor in our own English Education department at KNU) signs off on all of his emails: "Teachers open the door. Students walk through."

4. Self-confidence. This overlaps with the other areas above in a lot of ways, but also consider this. When students see many corrections, they become focused on what they can't do and don't know. For many, this is a constant reminder or failure and inability. Of course, this could be a positive or negative force depending on each student's attitude. However, if we focus on the student's ability to express a view, contribute their opinions on a given topic, and share it in an interactive environment (like this forum), we are more likely to foster a feeling of capacity and inclusiveness ~ a sense of worth and belonging in the company of other writers. If we allow students to read other writing, compare it to their own, gradually discover their mistakes and/or find many positive models of better ways to say things, we are fostering more independent self-confidence.

Despite all of these points, I am not against correction of grammar. Yes, it can be effective in some ways. Yes, it can motivate certain students in some ways (even if it is just that they feel like they are getting attention). Yes, it can help them notice things (even if it is there and then and not studied or remembered afterwards). It just isn't high on my personal list of priorities when teaching writing and teaching students how to teach themselves (there are several other far more important criteria), and with large classes it can be either unfeasible or an unwelcome distraction from more important teaching objectives.

As a future teacher of English, when it comes to writing, you are going to have to really balance the following question for yourself. Explicit correction has very little impact on actual grammatical improvement. Explicit correction is far from feasible in very large classes. So, if it isn't possible to give lots of correction, should writing be excluded from your curriculum?

Something for all the student teachers here to think about...

 

Best wishes,

~ Jason 

 

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Hi sir!

You always give me good tips for improving my english skills.

"to write extensively and on a regular basis"

Though this class has finished, I will keep writing essay or diary.

And it's important to write about various topic and with various forms of writing.

I will remember this Feasibility, Effectiveness, Independent learning, and Self-confidence.

I'm sure that this all will be helpful for enhancing my english skills.

Thank you Jason.

regular - member
102 posts

Hello, sir.
I also thought that writing extensively and on a regular basis is vert important but I failed to continue to write my diary in English when I was in the Air force. However, after reading your good tips, I am confident and I will do my best to improve my writing skills.

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