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Sorry to bother you again, jason, but I read today in an ets book, that in the independent essay it is recommended that you have three paragraphs. two of them should support your idea directly, while the other (the 3.) points out, why the opposite of your opinion is not true or good enough. by this, they say, that you show your ability that you have considered both sides, your point and the opposite.

what do you think of that suggestion? I tried it today in the toefl exame, but I mixed it up with my direct statement.

one last thing, do you have any hint how to learn skimming? i realized today that i am still too slow in the reading section, altough i have read so many books and had listened at least about 30 minutes every day to english audio. i am a little dejected right now, but anyhow, thanks your rating my essays and giving me hints every time, I think i improved a lot. whether i can get my 107 points in the ibt or not is another story.

greeting peter

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Hi Peter,

I know what you are referring to from the ETS guide (the so-called counter-argument paragraph). Are you referring to the example responses to the topic in the guide about "always telling the truth is the most important consideration in any relationship"?

Personally (and I have to be honest), the example essay given in the ETS guide that rates a perfect 5.0 is a pretty imperfect piece of writing. It seems (to me) to "flop around" with the central idea too much, and as a model for students could be quite confusing. I avoid using that model with developing students because it isn't logical or straightforward enough to build strong and confident strategies to write under time pressure.

The models I've been providing you with here are what I have been advocating for years - both for iBT and its predecessor the CBT. I've had more students get perfect scores in the essay section than I care to remember, but an even larger number of students who got "safe" high scores (where even if they struggled with the topic, the basic approach to the essay guaranteed a minimum score of 3.5 [iBT] or 4.0 [CBT]). A private student of mine, following my model, has taken the iBT twice this year, and she got a 27 for the writing section on her first attempt, and a 29 in her second attempt. That reassures me that what I'm advocating appears to work when it comes to getting a high score!

However (and to address your query directly), addressing counter-arguments is possible in your essay, and it can be very efffective. You can do this within its own (third) paragraph, or do it briefly as an initial first paragraph - so long as you still include at least two well developed paragraphs strongly supporting and exemplifying your main position.

It is also possible to do this within your main body paragraphs, and within the essay overall. Doing it this way actually allows you to maintain your careful organization and not get lost with the other side of the argument. Take a look at the sample essay below  I made for the writing lesson about introductions. Pay attention to the bolded sections of the essay:

 

Writing Topic:

Some people believe that university students should be required to attend classes. Others believe that going to classes should be optional for students. Which point of view do you agree with? Use specific reasons and details to explain your answer.


Essay Response:


In most places in the world, university study coincides with people's entrance into adult life. This brings a lot of new responsibilities, but also a certain sense of freedom for many young people. Having been forced to attend classes on a strictly regular basis during their school years, some people don't attend their university classes with the same regularity or punctuality. So, should attendance in university classes be compulsory? Personally, I'm of the opinion that this choice should really be up to the student. While I understand the possible rationales for compulsory attendance, I think we must remember that these students are adults who need to develop an independent sense of responsibility, and attendance should not be automatically equated with academic learning or commitment.

First of all, students at this age are young adults who need to learn how to take responsibility for themselves, and academic learning and achievement fall within those responsibilities. I certainly believe that universities are obliged to create as many opportunities as possible to learn, but it is then up to the students themselves to take the process further. In other words, universities open doors of opportunity, and then it is up to the students to walk through those doors. From my own personal experience, I once failed a university subject where attendance was not tracked for assessment purposes. I skipped a lot of classes and didn't have sufficient knowledge to pass the final exam. It taught me a tough lesson. I re-took the class the following year as an extra subject, missed very few classes, and achieved a great score. In both instances, the university provided me with the opportunity to learn, but in once instance I failed to complete my part of the relationship. I honestly believe the experience made me more independently committed to things in my later work life. It taught me to take personal responsibility for my development, and to see how day-to-day work builds towards and equips me for larger achievements later.

Secondly, I fail to see how attendance in class can accurately measure how much a student is learning, or how committed they are to learning. I have attended many university classes where students were not paying attention, chatting with friends, sending text messages, or even sleeping! Obviously, in a lot of cases, the requirement of basically being in class does not necessarily mean students are learning anything. In addition, I think a policy of compulsory attendance can risk becoming insensitive to students’ personal situations. I have studied with many classmates who could not attend all of their classes because of their financial situations, needing to work one or even two part-time jobs to cover their fees and expenses. Others had families to take care of. In most cases, these very busy and often stressed-out students actually were the highest achievers in the course once the grades came out. Attendance in class definitely did not correlate with their commitment to and work ethic for the course. I think it would be colossally unfair and very insensitive to base assessment of these hard-working and very committed students purely on a class attendance log.

In conclusion, there are reasons for and against compulsory class attendance at university level, but the arguments against hold a lot more water. When we consider factors such as building an independent sense of responsibility, class attendance not necessarily equating to learning, and the need to be sensitive to learners’ personal situations, it is clear that attendance really needs to be the learners’ choice and option. The alternative is to create a university system that is built only on appearances, and actually punishes rather encourages students with challenging personal situations.
 

  

Essentially, those bolded sections show consideration for the other side of the argument, and basically refute them either as a lead-in or direct contrast through the ideas around or after them. The reason I do it this way (and recommend that others do the same) is that addressing and refuting counter-arguments can be a natural way for you to build and support your own main argument from the opposite perspective.

However, I always advocate learning how to effectively support and exemplify your own argument in response to the topic before attempting to play around with counter-arguments. It can be dangerous for inexperienced essay writers in that it can be very easy to lose track of your own main ideas, or make you end up looking like a "fence sitter" who doesn't actually argue persuasively this way or the other. Once you can effectively express and support your own argument, then it is time to consider how to address the other side of the argument within your response.

There will be more information related to this in my upcoming lesson on how to build the body of your TOEFL essay.

 

Hope this makes sense and was helpful...

Best wishes,

~ Jason

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Hi Jason,

As peterwerk asked before, is there any specific exercise you recommand for skimming? There is this one site where I follow the dots moving on the screen in a fraction of second, but I get easily bored. Any other examples? Thanks.

Best regards,

Marie.

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Thanks Jason, I will practice to integrate counter points in my essay.

cheers, peter.

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Sorry to bother you again, jason, but I read today in an ets book, that in the independent essay it is recommended that you have three paragraphs. two of them should support your idea directly, while the other (the 3.) points out, why the opposite of your opinion is not true or good enough. by this, they say, that you show your ability that you have considered both sides, your point and the opposite.

-peterwerk

Hi Peter - just further to this, I found a pretty good example of how this 2A + 1CA (two arguments in favor + 1 counter-argument) formula can look:

http://www.testmagic.com/Knowledge_Base/TOEFL/Writing/samples/040_ignore_past/by_erin.htm

That example was written by Erin Billy, the guy behind the Test Magic site. It shows how that third paragraph can be dedicated to exploring the counter-argument without necessarily undermining one's central argument.

I do have to admit, though, that in that example essay, a longish paragraph dedicated to supporting the counter-argument seems to fly in the face of the very emphatic statement at the start of the introduction (I disagree wholeheartedly that learning about the past has no value for those of us living in the present).

My personal preference is to make passing remarks acknowledging possible counter-arguments, but aligned directly with my main arguments, making it clear why I prefer one side of the topic (while still considering the alternative).

Goodness, I hope that makes sense! I'm not saying don't use that formula, and if it is applied well, I will of course be willing to offer full scores.

~ Jason

 

 

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one last thing, do you have any hint how to learn skimming? i realized today that i am still too slow in the reading section, altough i have read so many books and had listened at least about 30 minutes every day to english audio. i am a little dejected right now, but anyhow, thanks your rating my essays and giving me hints every time, I think i improved a lot. whether i can get my 107 points in the ibt or not is another story.

-peterwerk

Your wish is my command... See the post I've just put up here: http://global-english.lefora.com/2008/08/27/skimming-technique-for-reading/page1/

Note that it's only one way of doing "skimming", and is designed to train you to take in the "core" content of a paragraph extremely quickly.

In any case, I hope it proves useful to you.

Best wishes,

~ Jason

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I am new to here. I really don't know how can I interact with you guys. Iam gonna take the toefl test soon but do know nothing. Actually I need atleast 26 in speaking. so Am worring about it. Hope this forum will help me.

do write something to me.
thanx alot.

guru - founder
1439 posts

I am new to here. I really don't know how can I interact with you guys. Iam gonna take the toefl test soon but do know nothing. Actually I need atleast 26 in speaking. so Am worring about it. Hope this forum will help me. do write something to me.thanx alot.

-kriti

Hi kriti, and welcome to the forum.

There are tons of practice items and examples distributed around this forum, so do lots of reading and get involved ~ it's sure to help in your preparation.

Best wishes,

~ Jason

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hi kriti,

this forum will help you a lot, but nonetheless, you should go to the library or even buy a serious toefl preparation book, like longman or kaplan (both have their strenght and weaknesses). speaking is something you can not really learn from this books. practice your organisation and content of the answer by speaking with a native speaker or someone who speaks English fluently.

Best wishes

peter werk

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